Curse

clonmac · Sep 27, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

No need for CAPS LOCK you know, doeasn't make you point any more important.

Well what about if I fire Called Shot at you? Which cannot be blocked or evaded.

Also Hunter's Shot (Bleeding) and posion arrow can be blocked as well. Apply posion is a preparation that can be blocked, so your not 100% correct.

But I do see you point, so like I said if the damage you get by blocking fire arrows is greatly reduced to 5 damage or below I think it be fine.

clonmac I do agree with you, not disagreeing, I just think total blocking would make taking down warriors and their stances near impossible. Since Called shot is costly and has a recharge time making it a bit hard to make use of.

First of all, Called shot is an attack with a recharge time. So that can stopped with diversion or something of the like. Secondly, I wasn't talking about all preparations. I am talking about Kindle arrow only here. So when I said there is no counter, I meant there is nothing to stop kindle from hitting you, either by dodging it or by removing something from them like you can hexes. I am not saying Preparations should be removable. But Kindle arrow, like other arrow attacks, should be avoidable (except for choking gas and ignite, because they are splash damage). The skill does not say that the arrows explode on impact, so don't gimme that, 'if the arrow missed then the explosion got me'. That is what ignite is for.

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Originally Posted by Urda

btw : there are other skills with no counter and some are way more scary than 20 damage... :
Blackout... Touch of Agony... Vampiric Touch...Shock..
Basicly all "touch"-Attack stuff (ignores most interrupts + Backfire + uberfast "activation").

Touch of Agony - Sacrifice health to use
Blackout - You also blackout your skills
Vampiric Touch - It is a spell and can be interrupted (read: dodged)
Shock - 10 second recharge time
Touch spells in general - forces you caster to "Touch" target

There is no way you can compare that stuff to Kindle Arrow abilities to do continuous damage with out being dodged. It isn't the fact that Kindle is so deadly, but it is the fact that it can't be Dodged AND it is a preparation (so it can't be removed) and it can be combined with other things like attack skills (quickshot, savage shot, punishing, etc).

None of those spells you listed there have anywhere near the capabilities that Kindle does.

With all that said, I don't mean to sound like I am saying Rangers are way too powerful and I want them nerfed now!! What I am saying is that it just seems like there are very few options to counter something that has the potential to be way too strong in the right hands. I've been owning rangers that use the Punishing Shot build in arena with my Mesmer, so I don't mind too much. It is just the HoH/GvG side of things that even an unskilled group of rangers can get together and own another team. Where you may have 5 rangers all shooting kindle arrow at someone. 20 damage hitting from 5 rangers each shooting more than an arrow a second = a lot of damage that can NOT be avoided. When you start competing (and I am not saying 'you' as in you don't) in the top 600 guild groups, and you see one of these ranger teams, you can't help but think that you know the only reason they are there is because they are using a cheap build and can't come up with something creative. And yes there are protection spells that can help prevent the damage, but when you can also combine interrupts with kindle, that is when things get rather excessive.

...I guess I am just angry that Rangers are getting all the FotM builds lately and my Necro's are left out in the cold ;( haha

NatalieD · Sep 28, 2005, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Kindle Arrow does have a counter - Distracting Shot or the like when they're activating it. And Vampiric Touch isn't a spell.

I still agree with you that the kindle should only hit if the arrow hits, though. Kindle is strong enough as a damage adder without also being a defense-trumper as well.

tigernz · Sep 28, 2005, 12:44 AM // 00:44

All my mesmers now carry mantra of flame simply because of this.

Distortion won't work, sidestepping won't work, so I figure my best bet is to reduce the inevitable damage as much as I can

arredondo · Sep 28, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Some friends and I noticed this Kindle glitch hitting us when using Distortion a few months ago and reported it to Arena.net back then. So far, they obviously haven't done anything about it.

Urda · Sep 28, 2005, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by clonmac

Where you may have 5 rangers all shooting kindle arrow at someone. 20 damage hitting from 5 rangers each shooting more than an arrow a second = a lot of damage that can NOT be avoided

Thats a strange argument... like :
When you have 5 eles using Obsidian Flame.. doiing damage that cant be avoided...

or

When you have 5 W/Mesmer using Blackout in row.. "disabling skills" that CAN NOT be avoided. just get nearby (any warrior has sprint anyway) .. no block , no evade , no nothing, no help but the hope your monk can heal you.

or or or... [any similar 5:1 situations]

all this situations have one common thing : If noone else helps you -> you are dead.

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Originally Posted by clonmac

....because they are using a cheap build and can't come up with something creative...

i agree... this builds are as dumb as smiterbuilds and are way too easy to play compared to the power they have.

Just for the variety of skills i agree with you. Having 2 MORE different preps could be fine. Most rangers choose kindle over ignite this days and thats boring.

clonmac · Sep 28, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Urda

all this situations have one common thing : If noone else helps you -> you are dead.

So very very true.

Which is why I love this game so much

Como Fort · Sep 28, 2005, 03:58 PM // 15:58

LoL. I find there is a fairly easy way to counter this.

Say your on a map with stairs like Dark Chambers, Broken Tower etc. If a Ranger team starts the spike run to the middle of the stairs. NOTHING hits you there lol. Also another good thing to try is actually using the walls to hide behind. Maps like Underworld, Scarred Earth etc are particuarly annoying for Rangers because of the many walls there are.

I agree with you this if the attack is blocked how can you still be hit from the fire damage? Taking something like Mantra of Fire is a waste of a skill IMO just for this so something should be done.

Also I play a Prot Monk, and any other good Prot Monk knows that the recharge time on Shielding Hands is quite long compared to other spells. Therefore it is not spammable so quickly changing targets bugger me up.

IMO Ranger teams don't really get that far because there is just no diversity. So what 5 Rangers all attack the same target, but are they really THAT hard to escape from? Me thinks not.